Evernote user since 2011 with a lot of data, I'm considering switching to Joplin but need reassuranc

LeoW · 2024-04-07T10:31:07.330Z

It looks like I get a reprieve from having to make the video and you get a reprieve from having to install the windows subsystem for Linux.

When I first started using Joplin only the Linux client could import folders. The windows app did not. I have since learned today that the windows client can now import folders too. so, never mind.

From the docs:
Joplin import_export

you can either import a single file or a directory that contains multiple ENEX files.

If you import a single file, a notebook with the same name will be created, and all notes will be imported in this notebook.
If you import a directory, Joplin will create a notebook per file and import the notes into them.

laurent · 2024-04-07T10:37:32.939Z

nonobio:

I just did it, but this obviously works better. I notice that it takes around 3s to display the contents of a notebook when I click on it, and when I click on the different notes in a notebook it takes around 1s, which is pretty good!

Thanks for confirming, this is more or less normal I guess on an older computer although I'm always keen to find ways to speed things up. If you notice a particular notebook or note that is very slow to load feel free to create a new post with the full information.

The note list (which loads when you click on a notebook) was recently changed so it's possible there are performance issues, so any information on what may be causing them would be useful.

Medullitus · 2024-04-07T10:37:42.085Z

I'm already using the Windows Subsystem for Linux. I installed Ubuntu from the Windows Store. Additionally, I have Linux installed on my Virtualbox. I can perform operations using Linux in both ways.

laurent · 2024-04-07T10:39:23.743Z

That's interesting, you don't happen to know what was that file in the "tmp" folder that was 15 GB? Now I'm thinking that may be related to OCR. Do you have this feature enabled?

LeoW · 2024-04-07T10:52:52.671Z

Haha..

I have the exact same configuration. An SSD with 1 TB of storage and 32 GB of RAM. It gives me plenty of room to run virtualbox with Linux in it and also take advantage of WSL.

nonobio · 2024-04-07T11:51:41.121Z

laurent:

If you notice a particular notebook or note that is very slow to load feel free to create a new post with the full information.

The note list (which loads when you click on a notebook) was recently changed so it's possible there are performance issues, so any information on what may be causing them would be useful.

I had problems again today. So I created a support post ici:

Slowness and sometimes “the window is not responding” error message Support

Operating system Windows Joplin version 2.14.20 Desktop version info Joplin 2.14.20 (prod, win32) ID client : 773c93d7dee04e1289cb896f235df6a3 Version de Synchro : 3 Version du profil : 46 Trousseau supporté : Oui Révision : cfd98e3 Backup: 1.4.0 Note Tabs: 1.4.0 Editor Markdown Editor What issue do you have? Hello, I'm a brand new user of Joplin. Yesterday I imported all my Evernote data (206 notebooks, more than 10,000 notes and several thousand tags) and then started using the app…

laurent:

That's interesting, you don't happen to know what was that file in the "tmp" folder that was 15 GB? Now I'm thinking that may be related to OCR. Do you have this feature enabled?

Damn, I didn't look. If it happens again I'll be careful.
I don't use OCR, at least I don't think so, I haven't touched much, I had just imported all my Evernote data. It can't be related to the import?

nokoa77 · 2024-04-07T19:20:39.599Z

Hi,

as an external editor I use MarkText (I'm on Mac): I'm ok with it but there is surely a better and more up to date editor ;
I have 18k notes, 6k resources and 9k revisions (keeping 365 days), on Macbook pro ("Apple M1 Pro" chip) and syncing with Joplin Server (both with Joplin Cloud, those are excellent options I suggest +++)
some additions again :
*3 plugins I couldn't live without : Rich Markdown (nice effects in markdown view), Favorites (static tabs), Note Tabs (dynamic tabs) ;
*3 plugins that I'm happy to have, even if I don't use them daily: backup, outline, math mode
Bruno
How old is your PC?

nonobio · 2024-04-08T08:17:18.387Z

Hi

nokoa77:

as an external editor I use MarkText (I'm on Mac): I'm ok with it but there is surely a better and more up to date editor ;

I've heard quite a bit about this publisher. It was essential for me to have separate windows, but with Note Tabs and other plugins, + the fact that I'm starting to appreciate Markdown, I'm not so sure I need it anymore, even I I find it hard to believe ;). I took note of all the suggested editors in any case.

nokoa77:

I have 18k notes, 6k resources and 9k revisions (keeping 365 days), on Macbook pro ("Apple M1 Pro" chip) and syncing with Joplin Server (both with Joplin Cloud, those are excellent options I suggest +++)

I haven't started synchronization yet but I think I'm going to use WebDav on my Synology with the Synology WebDav, following the advice I got. It would probably be fast (more than Dropbox for example) and easy to set up.

nokoa77:

some additions again :
*3 plugins I couldn't live without : Rich Markdown (nice effects in markdown view), Favorites (static tabs), Note Tabs (dynamic tabs) ;

Following the advice given here and on Reddit, I also use Favorites and Note Tabs, it's great, and it's also what will perhaps save me from doing without separate windows.

I'll take a look at Rich Markdown, you're not the first to tell me about it.

nokoa77:

*3 plugins that I'm happy to have, even if I don't use them daily: backup, outline, math mode

I will study the backups later but I still already have my SSD which is backed up daily, I imagine that saving the joplin-desktop folder allows me to restore everything in case of problems, I hope

On the other hand I'm going to try outline, it looks great, thanks. For now I have discovered the ${toc} code which I love!

nokoa77:

How old is your PC?

I bought it at the end of 2015: Notebook DELL E7240
CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4310U
RAM 8,00 Go
SSD Micron M600 MTFDDAT256MBF
GPU Interl HD 4400

I just bought a new memory stick to go from 8 GB to 12 GB, it will do it some good...

nokoa77:

Bruno

We Don't Talk About Bruno

nokoa77 · 2024-04-08T15:18:48.200Z

yes a clean backup of the joplin-desktop folder is enough in case failure
I'm sure 12Gb will help

Rando · 2024-04-09T12:40:45.279Z

jpservices:

Be aware that v10 of Evernote did export quite a few notes with Untitled Notes title.

I just wanted to stress out this aspect of the import process. Before you delete your Evernote account, make sure to run an "untitled note" search in Joplin at some point. In my case, I had to manually rename quite a few important notes of which I would have lost their title's meaning.
Also, I figured that some notebooks containing one note only got a wrong title once imported in Joplin (no big deal as the title was still was a relevant one).
I dare to say, after yesterday's manual revision... my migration process is now truly completed!

nonobio · 2024-04-10T05:48:47.506Z

Thanks for the advice.

I actually have 78 “Note sans titre” (in French) in Joplin.
I checked on Evernote and they are also in Evernote, so it's not an export-import problem

My Evernote renewal is in 4 days. I at least thought about switching the annual renewal to a monthly one, but I'm almost hesitant to stop everything. Otherwise, that leaves me another month with Evernote, maybe it's wiser...

Do you know if once the subscription is deleted, access to the notes is still possible as long as the application is not uninstalled? If not on v10, maybe on Legacy at least?

crites · 2024-04-10T19:16:52.667Z

How do you sync from Evernote directly into Joplin?

In my first effort I was exporting from Evernote and then importing to Joplin. In this scenario Evernote would only allow me to export a limited number of notes at a time which was a real problem.

joeschmoe · 2024-04-11T06:14:43.356Z

Yes anything using the file system is terribly Slow. I can attest to this. I think as long as you're not doing that Joplin was a fine switch for me from Evernote and I also have a lot of notes

nonobio · 2024-04-11T08:06:43.565Z

I used evernote-backup to export all my Evernote data, then used Joplin function: Import Enex folder to markdown:

Currently exporting my 27k notes, 207 notebooks, and 5k2 tags from Evernote, some questions Lounge

I also had little yesterday seeing a storage usage of three times the size of my Evernote data, but everything was back to normal today, it was a temporary folder. Like @LeoW said, I also used the Evernote link replacer plugin to convert my old Evernote links into Joplin links. There have been many converts. There are also quite a few that haven't been, but they must be links that didn't have the right name. Yes, I used it following comments seen here or on Reddit. This app is awesome! I ha…

Kai · 2024-04-11T14:03:43.230Z

laurent:

If you have a lot of notes, one advice would be to use WebDAV, Joplin Server or Joplin Cloud for sync. Anything else, in particular Dropbox and OneDrive, will be too slow for that many notes.

I am surprised that WebDAV keeps getting recommended. On my desktop I sync to the local file system and in the beginning I used a NextCloud client to filesync to a Nextcloud-server and it was agonizingly slow; not surprising since Joplin has lots of very small files, and WebDAV basically is HTTP and thus not particularly well suited for lots of small files afaik.

After I exchanged the file sync from WebDAV to Dropbox using their Linux client it seems a great deal faster to me.

Am I missing something here, or is this something specific to Android?

Regards,
kai.

laurent · 2024-04-11T17:38:39.340Z

It may depend on your setup but generally self-hosted WebDAV is going to be faster than Dropbox simply because you won't throttle your own connection, unlike Dropbox.

But Nextcloud WebDAV is notoriously slow, unless maybe you spend a lot of time optimising it. When I asked a Nextcloud developer why it was slow the answer was essentially RTFM and tune the server, but I don't think it can ever be very fast because it's too complex.

Something like Nginx would be faster since they don't do any extra processing on each request.

Thomas-Cee · 2024-04-11T21:03:10.836Z

nonobio:

I would like to have feedback from "heavy" Evernote users, like me, who have imported their data into Joplin.

I was commenting on other threads to you, and just commenting here as well... While I used Evernote daily, my note count is in the 1,750 range/75ish notebooks; not your level of notes. I read this whole thread and your Joplin results are looking promising. Is it faster than Evernote 10 yet? Plus I am only currently syncing a few notes currently through Dropbox, but after reading here, may migrate eventually to hosting on my Synology NAS. So far it's been quick, but I'm certainly on the learning curve still.

sttrebo:

I did migrate to hosting Joplin Server on my NAS (out of curiosity rather than need) and it's been great. fast sync times and no conflicts and automatic backups thru synology hyperbackup.

I'm glad you mentioned this, I didn't realize there were different options. Fascinating to read. I have a Synology so this could work great for me.

nonobio:

We Don't Talk About Bruno

No, no, no, no!

laurent:

Something like Nginx would be faster since they don't do any extra processing on each request.

Is Nginx one of your favs? There are so many nowadays I get "paralysis of analysis" with them. Is it faster than Synology Webdav or Joplin Server on Synology? Or similar?

laurent · 2024-04-11T21:37:56.188Z

For WebDAV something like Nginx, maybe Apache too, would perform better than Nextcloud because they do plain WebDAV and nothing else. Nextcloud does a lot more, like versioning, logging, trash support, etc and that's why there's a significant overhead per request. It's all php too while the Nginx module is a native one I believe.

That being said a lot of people use Nextcloud with Joplin without any problem - it probably depends on how many notes you have and how powerful is your server.

If you want to install something specific for Joplin though then Joplin Server will still be faster since it's optimised for it.

nonobio · 2024-04-12T03:20:24.822Z

laurent:

But Nextcloud WebDAV is notoriously slow, unless maybe you spend a lot of time optimising it. When I asked a Nextcloud developer why it was slow the answer was essentially RTFM and tune the server, but I don't think it can ever be very fast because it's too complex.

I think it would be helpful to point this out in the Joplin help

Since I have a Synology NAS, I am considering using the Synology WebDAV server, is this a good option?

Thomas-Cee:

I read this whole thread and your Joplin results are looking promising. Is it faster than Evernote 10 yet?

For me, Joplin is faster than Evernote 10 which had become practically unusable. I'm having just a random slowdown issue but that doesn't Fortunately, it doesn't happen too often.

JackGruber · 2024-04-12T05:42:51.985Z

nonobio:

Synology WebDAV server, is this a good option?

I would say yes. I use the Synology WebDAV Service for my Joplin since years with a total of 39000 Joplin items on various clients (3x Windows,
2x IOS and 2x Android) and I had never a problem.
A normal sync takes 7-12 Seconds when nothing is to synchronize.
A new synchronization on a new device (On my last Android it was round about 4-5 hours) takes some time, but I have never had any problems there either and have never had to reinstall Joplin several times or delete data.