2025-07-22 - Read-only access to NextCloud-based Joplin data?

How would it be possible to give other people read-only access to NextCloud-based Joplin data?

I would set up read-only access for other IDs in NextCloud, similar to what I now do with an encrypted read-only Cryptomator drive: In the Cryptomator app, there is a checkbox that allows you to select ‘read-only’. However, I suspect that the Joplin apps are not yet designed to access data for which they do not have write permissions.

This is not supported, and the sync mechanism is not designed to cater for this. You would need to use Joplin Server / Cloud if you need to share notes, as any other kind of sync target is effectively a 'dumb' server, with no context for the data being stored by Joplin, so can't do anything like permission management etc

Thank you for your answer, @mrjo118 .

JoplinCloud is a great idea, and I will continue to test the service – but hopefully with less financial and time investment than in previous years.

I had hoped that Joplin with Nextcloud would offer or could offer a KISS option for kind of poor man's ‘read-only’ permission management until all the bugs in JoplinCloud will be fixed. I have already paid several hundred euros for the JoplinCloud service and invested many hours in error messages without being able to use JoplinCloud for my use case. I assume that it will take many months or even years before JoplinCloud will be a sufficiently stable service. At least for my use case.

I appreciate the Joplin Cloud issues are frustrating. I know it might be preferable to stick to one tool, but in situations like this I'd recommend using more than one tool to fit your needs, at least until Joplin Cloud is in a usable state for you. For example, for notes you want to share with others, you might move or duplicate them in some other app.

Personally I use both Joplin and Google Keep, where I use Google Keep more like an inbox of thoughts and reminders, while I use Joplin for notes I want to keep permanently and anything which is private. Google Keep is not private, but I find it ideal for quick jottings and todo lists because it syncs instantly and supports background sync, and saves note history on every single change (Joplin only makes a revision every 10 minutes). So I know everything is always properly synced and keeps a history, even if I write a note and close the app in just a few seconds. It might not have good export options and is fairly limited in general, but with just a few notes in it it's not a big deal

I will soon be 67 years old and am gradually preparing my digital legacy for my family. This includes a great deal of confidential information that I do not want to entrust to any service that is not reliably subject to European data protection law. For my digital legacy, I do not want to use a service provider that may be subject to the Patriot Act or the Cloud Act. That is why I continue to hope for the Joplin Cloud Service and that it will never be sold to a company that is subject to the Patriot Act or the Cloud Act.

I can understand how that limits your options significantly then.

I hope you live for many more years and Joplin Cloud will be a viable solution before you die. But if you wanted to prepare for the possibility that won't happen, you could find an online password manager that meets your privacy needs, and store the NextCloud and Joplin encryption passwords in it, along with some suitable instructions for your children, detailing how to set up Joplin to access the notes. If you have multiple profiles on the NextCloud account and just want to give your children access to some of them, use different encryption passwords for each profile and only include the passwords corresponding to those in the password manager.

Then in your Will, I would have thought you can specify something that will allow your children to be granted access to that password manager service when you die.

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Several good suggestions. Thank you.

Perhaps I should indeed incorporate one of the services offered by https://european-alternatives.eu/category/password-managers into my concept.

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Some password managers have digital inheritance options, so you could name beneficiaries without needing to add something to your Will. For whatever service you choose though, just make sure it's feasible that the account access can be passed on when you pass away, even if it needs to be via a Will

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A few days ago, Mistral AI was mentioned in this article in the SZ (paywall) as a European alternative to ChatGPT. I am now using Mistral AI with a free account.

With the help of Mistral AI, I found the Swiss service Secure Safe, whose data inheritance option I now use for a few defined IDs and passwords.

I tried to use MistralAI (especially of course since it's French) but I wasn't getting results as good as with ChatGPT. Is it any better these days?

I don't want to make a judgement here for several reasons.

Even if you come to the conclusion that free access to ChatGPT currently delivers better results than free access to Mistral AI, there are still questions about whose AI you want to contribute to training and whose AI you want to tell about your interests through your questions, and who you are allowing to add to your profile.

P.S.

If you ask Mistral AI the same question that mrjo118 linked to on https://discourse.joplinapp.org/t/what-ai-feature-if-any-could-be-useful-as-part-of-joplin/46091/24, you currently get a much shorter and less differentiated answer than the one mrjo118 linked to there.

That's true but at the end of the day AI is there to make our life easier so if I have to struggle to get the results I want, I'll switch to something else. Switching is also good for competition at some level, since if everybody was staying with MistralAI despite their inferior results, they'll have no incentive to improve.

Thanks for the example link, I'll definitely check them again at some point.

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