Sync to Proton Drive in the future?

roman_r_m · 2022-09-15T20:07:17.970Z

Maybe one reason for people often having issues with WebDAV is that there's more than one implementation - Apache, Nextcloud, etc.
And Nextcloud, for instance, does not even fully implement the protocol (LOCK/UNLOCK methods are missing, for one)

anon33605855 · 2022-09-15T20:09:36.995Z

It does use it's own protocol (and it is true for their other products, as well, I'm a subscriber).

XCS · 2022-09-15T22:50:50.334Z

So, for Proton Drive, what should they implement to make it easy to integrate with Joplin? S3-like support?

orbiton · 2022-10-05T15:18:59.323Z

ProtonDrive is not beta anymore. I'd love to see this feature too...

Daeraxa · 2022-10-05T15:25:25.674Z

Do they have a developer API? I've not actually been able to find one.

anon33605855 · 2022-10-05T17:15:17.435Z

They do not, as of now, as far as I know.

orbiton · 2022-10-07T15:45:06.479Z

Wrote to their support... Received an answer:

Filip G. (ProtonMail)

Oct 7, 2022, 13:10 GMT+2
Hello,

Thank you for your message.

Unfortunately, we do not offer an API that can be used from the user's side for such operations.

Do not hesitate to contact us if you have any other questions.

Have a nice weekend!

Kind regards,

Filip G.

Customer Support
Proton Mail

t0dd · 2022-10-07T15:52:57.585Z

kbfs (Keybase Filesystem) is another option as well, though it does seem to struggle with the occasional lockups and whatnot if you toss lots of data at it at once which requires human intervention. Something to keep an eye on for a future possibility. Their git repo functionality is rock solid though (which also uses kbfs in the background).

Anyway. I use kbfs for all my backups of everything. I have for years. For Joplin, I am pretty darn happy with Joplin Cloud.

-todd

Daeraxa · 2022-10-07T15:56:43.267Z

Well I guess that concludes this conversation for the time being then...

GwynethLlewelyn · 2022-11-05T11:09:48.597Z

Keybase Filesystem fangirl here! While it's technically possible to backup Joplin to a local folder (mounted with KBFS), the problem is mostly on the mobile side of things, where Joplin doesn't have an option to write to 'local' folders (at least not on an iOS device, that is).

I wish I understood a bit about how iOS works, because some apps are actually able to write pretty much anywhere on iOS (using the 'More...' file saving option, which will correctly recognise all services properly registered with the operating system) without the need of 'understanding' any of the underlying protocols. On the other hand, apps like Joplin prefer to rely on its own implementation of as many protocols as possible (which are just a handful, at time of writing) without using the internal file-saving facilities.

I have no idea what is required to have an iOS app work in the 'universal' way for saving files. The truth is that even well-established app developers seem to be ignorant that such a functionality exists at all!...

Herve5 · 2022-11-06T11:59:05.557Z

XCS:

Well, where do you backup your Joplin to?

In my case, I first rushed syncs on a basic Dropbox account (with encryption) because I really had one single day before the conference I attended, but my plan is to redirect everything to the NextCloud on my home Nextbox device (NextBox | shop.nitrokey.com)

lambjop · 2024-04-01T16:47:18.724Z

It's over a year since the last post on this thread. Has anything happened since? Does anybody know if there is a possibility now to use Proton Drive with Joplin? I may have missed something.

I'm using Dropbox for now, but I surely would prefer to use Proton.

HarSel · 2024-04-02T07:06:27.964Z

I've been a Proton "Unlimited" subscriber for many years but only use it for mail and VPN. Drive has never worked for me. Other than being incredibly slow compared to others I've tried, some files would get there but usually I'd get a "Something went wrong" message and would not know what files were correctly stored and what files "went wrong." Every few months I'd give it another try, send off a few dozen files and as I recall, I only ever once had a perfect result. All the other times "Something went wrong." It appears to me that Drive is more of an archive type file storage than a real-time update service such as Dropbox so I wouldn't expect WebDAV to work too well, the lag would probably cause timeouts of some sort.

lambjop · 2024-04-02T18:57:16.565Z

I have Proton "Unlimited" since last year. I never thought of using Drive as a computer back-up option. I'm still using the good old local HDD for that. I just use Drive like a safe for scanned documents. So there was never any upload problems because of the size. It just seemed like a good idea to use it for Joplin, but I know absolutely nothing about the workings of WebDAV. So I guess I was wrong.

I found protonmail.uservoice.com last night, and somebody had already requested Webdav support in Nov 2022. It has just over 500 votes. So it may be looked at at some time in the future.
You can find it at the following link if you are interested:
https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/932839-proton-drive/suggestions/45915592-webdav-support

laurent · 2024-04-02T19:05:35.251Z

But Proton have their own proprietary encryption which WebDAV doesn't support, so any solution would most likely involve a custom proxy that would have to run locally.

That may work with the desktop app but probably not with the mobile app, just like their mail proxy is desktop only.

SteveShank · 2024-04-04T22:21:56.733Z

For what it's worth, I use Proton Drive with Joplin for some special things, not as a backup or sync. I frequently export long Joplin notes as PDF to my Proton Drive folder. You could export a folder and subfolders. You could copy your Joplin folder to Proton Drive if you liked.

kc0bra · 2024-04-05T00:32:24.813Z

Syncing with Proton Drive works great on the desktop but unfortunately, on mobile not so much since there is no file system option where you can point to a directly which could be your Proton Drive since Files (on iOS) supports & recognizes your Proton Drive as a folder option. So sadly a non-starter since syncing between desktop AND mobile is a key point of syncing in the first place

BTW - I understand this is most likely a limitation of iOS and not Joplin.

HarSel · 2024-04-05T11:35:05.112Z

I don't think syncing Joplin with your desktop folder really counts as syncing with Proton Drive. You are syncing locally, then Proton Drive is taking over and syncing your local folder with the cloud. You have a two step process. For Joplin to sync with Proton Drive (like Dropbox or NoneDrive) it would need an API to connect to, and Proton doesn't have that. As Laurent said, this would require a proxy like ProtonBridge for Mail. This two step process may seem to be functional (I too tried it and lost a ton of notes) but will eventually cause problems.

kc0bra · 2024-04-05T16:21:47.337Z

Yes, thanks for pointing that out. I couldn't use it to sync on my iOS devices anyway so it didn't help. I'm using OneDrive for now but would love to see support for ProtonDrive as I'd prefer to keep my encrypted files there. I'm a new user - recently switched from years on Evernote. Great app and a very active community from what I can see Thanks!

LeoW · 2024-04-07T00:55:37.403Z

Proton Drive support is possible on Android hopefully soon via a third party app called Round-Sync. I have a request in to the developer to have it added to their synchronization tool.

Round-Sync is an implementation of rclone sync software that's available for Windows Linux and Mac. The program that does the work already supports Proton Drive so it's available on the desktop it just needs to be added to the menu in the Android app and I have a request in on GitHub for that very thing.

The way that it would work is you would set the Joplin for Android app to sync locally to the file system where you will choose the directory.

Round-Sync can be launched quickly whenever you need it. You can create and save tasks so you just press one button and the local database files will synchronize with many cloud providers.

When you're about to use your Android phone and you know that you've made modifications on the desktop that synced to the cloud you simply run the software first and it will do the synchronization just like Joplin would do when you launch the program only it's running outside the program. When it's finished you run Joplin.

Leveraging Rclone would let you synchronize a local database on Windows Linux and Mac to over 50 Cloud providers.
They've already done all the work creating the connection to the cloud providers and have great sync software. On the desktop it's a single executable file that you run with a batch file or script.

There is also a GUI for the desktop only it's no longer under development and can use some improvement. It's called Rclone-browser. This way you can sync with a mouse click.

I maintain a website and use rclone and rclone browser to synchronize the files up and down to the server.