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Is there any news regarding the electron issue? I was pretty disappointed when I saw the update on my RSS feed but no downloads.

Joplin is not PERFECT. But, it’s pretty good. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I have tried literally dozens of apps in my quest to replace Evernote before I settled on Joplin.

You made a rather large number of blanket statements about how Joplin is “not good”, but you didn’t give any specifics of apps that offer a better overall solution. What app are you settling on and why? I started reading your post with interest, but frankly it went nowhere. Care to elaborate or did you just post to get things off your chest?

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People should learn what an open source project is and think about it for a second. The fact that Laurant makes this open source and works on it doens’t give you the right to moan about anything. How would you feel if you just work on something because it is your hobby and people keep complaining about everything being wrong and features missing etc etc.

Imagine yourself working on something and you are implementing certain functions because you see a need for yourself. In the same time other people find it usefull so you open source it. Now all of a sudden you have to respond to them and things start living on their own. Now all of a sudden you have hundreds of people saying “this app really has to have this, otherwise I will not use it”. “it’s a shame this app doesnt do X, look at all the other apps that can do X!!!”. So many open source projects die because of this attitude since the (often solo) maintainers can’t deal with the stress of having to live up to the expectations that are created while they just wanted to be helpful.

If you paid for something you can complain about it. (if you think that will help you)

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Organisation of notes sounds easy but nobody can do it perfect.
I came from long time evernote, switched to notion.so and onenote.
Joplin can do organize my notes very well.

@AlucardNoir: what are u missing? why not helping development on github?

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Joplin has made a tremendous impact on my personal and professional workflow and I have used it daily since the summer of '18.

Thanks a lot, @Laurent and the community here!

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Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak started apple in garage. They have faith, discipline and passion. We must do the same.

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@ AlucardNoir I don’t understand what you hope to accomplish by posting a message to disparage Joplin and say goodbye (at the same time!). Certainly Joplin is not perfect; I developed software for a living, and I doubt anything I did in my 40 year career was perfect. But a lot of people find it very useful.

I tried half a dozen note-taking apps before settling on Joplin. I won’t name the others I looked at, because they are all fine apps with many happy users. Joplin simply satisfied my particular preferences better than the alternatives. I don’t see the point in naming the others, nothing would be accomplished.

At any rate, enjoy whichever note-taking app suits your needs.

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It is fair to say that Joplin is not good for everybody, there are many apps for notes and that is a good thing.

Big disagree that Joplin “isn’t any good.” I operate across Linux and Windows systems and had been searching for a cross-platform, open-source desktop notes app to replace Linux-unfriendly Evernote for months if not years. Had been using CherryTree but wasn’t crazy about copy-pasting every one of the thousands of notes I’d accumulated in Evernote over the years. The day I stumbled on Joplin was a turning point in my notekeeping. I exported all my Evernote notes to Joplin and started keeping all my new notes in Joplin with no problems syncing among all my workstations as well as my Android phone. Congratulations and thanks to @laurent and everyone who helped and continues to work on this project.

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Even at Evernote people are starting to notice Joplin!

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I come from MS Onenote and I really like Joplin. Especially for the fact that you can “host” an instance for your self on Onedrive in my case and manage the encryption is something I really like because it gives you control over your data. I have to agree though with AlucardNoir that the android app needs some improvements because it indeed opens slow and lacks some useful features the desktop app has, but for me its no reason to leave but actually to stay and see the app grow.

I created an account on this forum simply for the purpose of disagreeing with you! I mostly use Linux and was previously using CherryTree for my note taking but I just didn’t like how rigid it is. When I didn’t spend nearly as much time in Linux I used OneNote for virtually everything… Once Linux became a part of my daily work flow I started keeping a git repo and manually creating .MD files for keeping track of notes - Joplin takes all that manual work away and as such I’m very thankful for having it as a solution that meets virtually all my current needs.

Others have made the statement so I won’t beat on a dead horse other than to say the whole point of open source is that you can get involved. If you don’t like something about Joplin, get involved. You have the power to make and be the change you wish to see! Stop being lazy and demanding that others always do your homework for you.

-E

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I must agree with the OP about markdown. To be honest MD is not a good note taking path. It is good for documenting stuff but not for note taking. I personally feel like MD is a format that limits what Joplin can become since its relying on what MD can do really, especially given that editing and viewing are separate paradigms in Joplin if you will. I do not think that a visual editor can solve this, it is really the MD not being a good ideation format.

I personally like Joplin, but I hope that it implements new formats and paths in the future, as of now it relying on MD is a blowback for the future of notetaking in Joplin.

I am sure MD is a killer format for many here, I like it myself for documenting basic stuff too. What I am after is creative note taking, not structured documentation.

thanks

A post was split to a new topic: Alternative to Markdown

I came to Joplin from MS OneNote, trying to escape the limitations of Evernote, which I loved but found a bit tight sometimes. OneNoter was terrible and I just couldn’t bear its organization principles.

Joplin is not perfect, I’ve also found limitations and missing features but this is life in open projects: Bring Your Own Passion and contribute, by coding and sharing if you’re skilled for it, by suggestions and feedback if you mind supporting the community.

I’ve been a contributor and sometimes open source software author centuries ago :wink:, so I know what motivates @laurent, so all we need to say him is “Thank you! And maybe you could [add your own idea here] …”

By the way, I’m also curious of other applications @AlucardNoir tested in his quest: can you please share with us?

Have a good day all!

I have been looking for a simple, open source Evernote alternative that supports zero-knowledge E2EE for over a year. Joplin and Notes for Firefox fitted the bill but Notes still had serious problems with syncing and staying logged on. Joplin in the only credible option, and the way it uses commercial cloud services for syncing is great. Many other apps could use the same approach (eg calendars, password managers etc) for backing up and syncing their database. Another alternative for self-hosting is of course Nextcloud but that’s more demanding.

Joplin could be lighter and spellchecking is missing, but it’s by far the best for my needs.

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Same thing here like many other users of Joplin. I’m come from OneNote that I used for many years (after trying Evernote and giving it up when it got too expensive !). Since some months, I look at Open Source alternatives and solutions that respect my privacy and makes me walk away from GAFAM. I’ve tried some notes apps to replace OneNote, many based on Markdown editor. Joplin have been my choice.

Yes, it is not perfect. First, it’s hard to get used to having an editor and a viewer side-by-side. I’d rather have a visual editor like OneNote… The look of the software is also basic. Luckily we can modify it with custom stylesheets. There is couple of other things to change. But I think it’s a good software.

I would like @AlucardNoir giving us better Open Source alternatives…? You can give your opinion and says that a software is not good (even list only negative points). You can says too that there are so many better options. What are these options ?

Thanks

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I tried many note taking apps (OneNote, Evernote, Nimbus Note, Google Keep) and find only Joplin suits my needs. I agree with it’s not 100% ideal, but 99,8% for sure. I used it for year and find out very big improvement for that period. Joplin continues to mature and I happy to see that growth. Honestly I hate Electron, but Joplin is changed my mind in some kind. Joplin is really great product with their own small but solid ecosystem.

@laurent made great product and hope done well in future.

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I also tried many note taking apps… and settled with CherryTree for a while because electron apps gave me a bad feeling…
I gave Joplin a second chance because I’m more productive writing notes in markdown and favor that format overall. Configured webdav in my arm device (just Apache+webdav, found nextcloud too bloated for my needs) and I’m happy since then. I backup my notes nightly to my Syncthing folders and feel confident that I won’t lose them in the future and having a single point of synchronization with webdav avoids weird issues that I had with CherryTree when I logged onto a device and opened it without noticing that synchronization didn’t finish and I overwrote an old version.

Pretty happy at this moment, keep the good work and thanks!

@AlucardNoir, I cannot agree with you when you say “Joplin isn’t good”. Like other said here, Joplin is not perfect BUT,

  • Joplin makes the job really well, without having tons of features I don’t want and don’t use.
  • Joplin made it possible to import my many years of notes without any issue.
  • Joplin is very stable. I switched from evernote to Joplin since over a year and had no glitch at all, syncing across Linux at home, Windows at work and on my mobile devices too every single day.
  • Joplin can be hosted on my own “Nextcloud” server so my data is where I want it to be.
  • Joplin is regularly updated and worked on and is evolving very nicely.

I just would like to take this opportunity to say to @laurent and the whole community,

  • Thanks you so much for all the good work done so far.
  • Continue like this ! I will continue to support the project by being a Patron.
  • I hope that one day you will have the recognition that you deserve.

SBE, a proud Joplin Patron and daily user

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