Feature request: Folding sections of text

tessus · 2020-02-11T21:16:01.555Z

Haha, this is a very good question. The developers of Discourse do not believe in documentation. (That’s why being an admin for this forum is not that easy.) Sometimes things are mentioned in topics on their forum.

I stumbled upon it when clicking on this button:

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memophen · 2020-02-11T21:25:42.473Z

Aha! And a third one: Build Poll. There might be more under the hood. Let’s try, doing it systematically. First experiment: [aardvark]a large burrowing nocturnal African mammal[/aardvark]… nope!

tessus · 2020-02-11T21:30:08.806Z

memophen:

[aardvark]a large burrowing nocturnal African mammal[/aardvark]… nope!

The poll woudn't be very useful in Joplin, but the other 2 are. Some people expressed their wish to mask passwords in the preview, thus the blur function could help with that. The other one is really good to hide info that is not always required when reading a note.
Anyway, nothing came of my suggestion.

P.S.: Apologies to the OP. It was not my intention to hijack this topic. I'll stop now.

nemesis5 · 2020-02-12T16:02:06.866Z

Hi tessus,

Folding on editor side

I had a look at the ace editor configuration and for me it would be very helpful to be able to configure the ace editor gutter (left side pane which could show line number, displays folding arrows).

Would it be possible to add the following options to Joplin configuration?

show line numbers (on the ace gutter)
show folding indicator arrows (on the ace gutter)

Folding on rendered markdown

For me the solution of ipra worked very well. In order to make the experience with this feature better, I could imagine two levels of integration of this feature:

Simple integration: Joplin could have a format bar icon for inserting the code below:
Snippet for default open

    <details markdown='1' open>
    <summary>Summary of folded text</summary>
    Extended information which is folded by default.
    </details>

Snippet for default closed

    <details markdown='1'>
    <summary>Summary of folded text</summary>
    Extended information which is folded by default.
    </details>

Full integration: The renderer could automatically push the html code for open / closed sections depending on the folding state of the ace editor. I’m not sure if Joplin can access the folding state from each ace editor sub part and if this injection of the folding html code is possible.

What do you think about it? In general the folding feature could be a big improvement for people who have well structured big notes.

tessus · 2020-02-12T21:12:43.686Z

Folding on editor side is easy to achieve. I could add an option to the Appearance tab in settings.
But I am not the one who makes the decisions. Laurent will have to approve and I can add it.

The integration to the rendered markdown is a bit more involved. You’d basically need 2 toolbar buttons for a section (collapsed/not collapsed), so I don’t think Laurent would go for that. (I wouldn’t.) But I could be wrong.
IMO this makes no sense. If you wanted to add a section, it should be closed by default.
You are not going to read a text and stumble across an open section and just close it. In that case, it should not have been open in the first place. The whole idea is to hide details in a text that you can look at, if you need it. Not the other way around.

tessus · 2020-02-12T22:58:33.287Z

Now @laurent has to accept it…

github.com/laurent22/joplin

add option to show line numbers in editor

laurent22:master ← tessus:feature/line-numbers

opened 10:57PM - 12 Feb 20 UTC

tessus

+2 -1

nemesis5 · 2020-02-13T06:10:17.186Z

This is completely good for me. The “Full integration” was just an idea. I did not know if this is needed by other users and if this is wanted by laurent. It was just an idea.

Thank you for your ideas about that and your commitment to implement the config change.

tessus · 2020-02-13T06:37:24.717Z

You are welcome. Now we have to see, if the PR gets accepted.

sciurius · 2020-02-13T19:45:36.316Z

Unfortunately the details text is not treated as markdown. This makes this feature pretty useless.

nemesis5 · 2020-02-14T06:27:49.417Z

Hi sciurius,

yes, you are right. I’m sorry for not retesting the stuff, I used the code from ipra and just tested the folding…

I found out that for rendering markdown code inside the <summary> and inside the folded text an empty line before the markdown code is needed. The markdown renderer inside this forum here shows the exact same behavior.

The following example shows how to render markdown inside the summary and the content of a folded section. The only issue that it shows, is that the folding arrow is shown in an empty line before the summary headline.

Code

<details markdown='1'><summary>

### Summary of folded text
</summary>

Test List
* first item
* second item

#### Test subchapter 1

Test numbered list
1. Numbered list item 1
2. Numbered list item 2

#### Test subchapter 2
Text

Extended information which is folded by default.
</details>

Rendered result

Summary of folded text

Test List

first item
second item

Test subchapter 1

Test numbered list

Numbered list item 1
Numbered list item 2

Test subchapter 2

Text

Extended information which is folded by default.

nemesis5 · 2020-02-14T07:09:52.841Z

Hi tessus,

my idea behind the whole folding stuff is coming from an experience I made with a wysiwyg text editor. It displays a folding arrow besides each headline. With that you can fold down your document to have a better overview and to blend out not needed details.

Do you think that maybe such a behavior (automatically support folding of headlines inside the rendered markdown) can be implemented inside the markdown renderer? This would not need to extend toolbars etc, so the main user will not see any change but the arrows shown in the rendered markdown besides each headline...

For me this would be very great. A second step for this feature could be that the state of the folding would be safed inside the markdown code of the headline. With this it would be like importing antigravity...
I think about something like extending the markdown code for headlines with an optional part that tells if the content is folded or not. As soon as the user folds down a headline inside the markdown preview (rendered), the [folded] tag appears inside the editor between the headline start tag ### and the headline text.

@laurent What do you think about that? This could make the work with long notes much more comfortable for power users...

Code

### Standard headline - as supported right now
Text

### [folded] Folded headline
Text which is folded at the moment

Expected rendered markdown

(the displayed arrows should be in the same line as the headline, sorry for that)

Standard headline - as supported right now

Text

Summary of folded text

Text which is folded at the moment

tessus · 2020-02-14T09:57:59.912Z

I think there are 2 topics around folding: one is the text (source/markdown)and the other is the rendered text (preview).

The folding marks in the editor will allow you to fold text in the editor. Nothing will happen on the preview side.And the folding marks will be whereever the ace editor thinks they should be. (I know they will fold sections (header to the next header), or code blocks, but I’m not sure what else. I don’t use code folding for taking notes. Especially since those will be uncollapsed again when you open the note. They do not persist. So what’s the point?

Folding in the preview is only possible with the HTML that was discussed earlier.

I think any more than that is out of the scope of this project. This is a note-taking application, not a content management system with word processor capabilities. And I am glad that it isn’t. I despise word processors for many reasons which I don’t want to go into.

I certainly understand your wish to add certain features, but IMO there are more important things to tackle first.

nemesis5 · 2020-02-14T10:23:44.799Z

My last post here was for “Folding on rendered markdown”.
For me it is ok, if there is a decision to not do anything in such a direction. It was just an idea, because I think this could help all power users that have big notes.

Clear statement from your side tessus.
Thank you.

tessus · 2020-02-14T10:38:21.654Z

I’m not saying that this will never make it into Joplin. First Laurent has to accept it and then you will have to find someone to implement it.

teynav · 2020-04-12T02:17:52.896Z

Couldn’t agree more!! It also becomes easy to navigate in large notes

diibv · 2020-09-28T00:25:00.112Z

I am working with large notes and I also think that folding sections will be extremely useful to help navigation within the relevant parts of a note in both editor and rendered HTML (could be an option for both).

Even if they are unfolded on each note reload, it is better than nothing (a simple "collapse all" button would be nice though).

nfarrar · 2020-11-26T18:58:21.452Z

Throwing a vote in on editor folding! My two cents:

I couldn't care less about folding within the rendering.
Folding within the editor is one of the most valuable features for any editor.
Folding lets you easily work within a particular scope of a document without being getting totally and completely lost; especially when working in larger documents.

+1 for editor folding.

CalebJohn · 2020-11-26T19:26:34.204Z

This is possible to add with a plugin, but likely won't make it to the base application. Just keep your eyes open, I'm sure a plugin will popup soon

tessus · 2020-11-26T19:36:43.027Z

Please don't forget that Joplin is not a text editor - or at least it is not its main purpose.
Also, even if there was code folding, it would not be persistent, so how useful is it really? Anyway, Caleb is right. This might be done via plugin at one point.

ambrt · 2021-03-27T17:21:06.706Z

Persistent text folding in editor Plugins

Hi This quick plugin allows to fold markdown text by headers: [Peek 2021-03-28 18-29] Update: v1.2.4 Ctrl(or Cmd) + Alt + F to fold all Ctrl(or Cmd) + Alt + U to unfold all This version fixes bugs and introduces fold/unfold all shortcuts. v1.2.0 has a way to persist folding ! As for now, it adds dot (".") at the end of header to mark it as to be fold on load of note. v1.2.0, should be available soon in Plugins search menu. Manual download:

Had really little time so its as basic as can be.

@tessus makes good point about persistence,
maybe rewriting cm addon itself would allow for
programmatic folding, hence saving folding